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Kristi Rae
03-26-2010, 10:15 PM
ok has anyone else heard of this? turns out it is against BAH "rules" that more then one marine can live in one house. we have 2 other marines living with us and right now not only are these 2 about to lose rank my husband can too. they are saying since these marines are not on the "lease" then they are not using BAH as they should. but both of them are still "Married" even tho they are separated from there respective wives...in NC you have to be "separated" for a year b/4 you can be "divorced" now both of them do not have a written contract we have a verbal one. they help around the house(mostly killing mice and bugs...and removing lizards) and pay us what they can when they can, they will also pick up food here and then as they can.
now Josh has lived here for a while almost as long as we have but he said when he gets back from this last deployment he was going to find a new place to call his own. well he cant find a thing that well is close enough to base and is safe to sleep at.
as for Steve he works in the same shop as well and when they found out that he was receiving BAH and living in the barracks they kicked him out. Understandable but where should he go until he can find a place? and then we find out that he is apart of my husbands fire team so what we are to kick him out of the house but my husband can still get in trouble for not helping him find a place to live? bull
that and one of the guys deployed with Jordan this last time was waiting for housing on base...he had no home and no place to stay until they got a house for him and his family on base...it took weeks what did they expect of him to sleep in his car until he can get a place on base? what about showering and shaving and a place to do laundry?
soo then a S.Sgt came to the house today i remember him from the guys...they say he could be nice but can make some "idiot" moves when working. well he came to the house in civis but he had a list of what looks like a list of where everyone in the shop lives a few highlighted a few not.(i didnt see if we were highlighted or not) he asked who i was and confirmed that i was Jordan's wife. then asked who else lived here...well figuring he allready knew i told him of Josh and Steve. he asked roughly how long we lived here and the others thankfully i really didnt know. and then he started to ask about cars...i was working on my husbands truck, Josh's car was next to his and then the TA was taken apart in the garage, and a buddies fixer uper was there as well and he wanted to know where Steve's truck was...i didnt even know he had a truck just that it didnt move any more. he didnt come inside(but he was prolly worried about getting Meningitis so thats y he didnt ask:P) but asked to talk to Josh, knowing that my husband was on duty and that Steve was still in the hospital. after he talked to Josh he nicely said good bye. Josh told me that they were talking of busting rank for this...really.
i told my hubby later and he was PISSED guess that no one is allowed to come to our house and ask questions with out at least calling him or me. so i think im ganna have to ask Josh to do all the talking and to tell my husband to keep his mouth shut.
sorry about the long story but it drives me nuts. BAH is to go to housing and the bills that come along with it. well they are paying us money b/c when Josh first moved in we couldnt afford the house(thankfully now we could) really if they say that want to see a contract for Josh and Steve that is fine by me but just say that. i just dont know where to go or who to talk to and just the fact that this is happening is pissing me off!!!! anyway ladies do you have any ideas?

ReginaCherie
03-26-2010, 11:17 PM
i dont what to tell you honey. i know a few guys that are living together to save money. i also know of a few that get BAH and still in the barracks but scott said that its aloud. i wish i knew what to tell you. ill ask scott later tonight and see what he has to say maybe he'll know more about it then me.

Kira
03-26-2010, 11:34 PM
Honestly in the Army it doesn't matter at all, from my experience. I mean some make money ( I know I did back in MA ) and they didn't care, so I think that is BS. Now what is wrong is collecting BAH while living in the barracks. BAH is supposed to be allotted out if you live in goverment quaters. I mean I don't get free housing plus my BAH so to me I do not think it's fair. I mean if it's allowed then I guess they should take advantage of it!!
I know we had to get "permission" to buy this house. It's not permission exactly but you KWIM. DH had to ask his commander. It was required by our realtor, it is common I assume.
Also from what I understand no they cannot come to your house off post without consent. They can inspect the property and ask questions but are supposed to ask permission first. Again I am not sure 100% of the laws, you can call Military One Source 24/7 or Jag on Monday.

Erin
03-27-2010, 10:55 AM
We're army, so again it may be different. I know that they are allowed to come look at your house, but your husband has to be home. He is required to open the door if someone comes, but you are not.

But the army doesn't care where you live. When DH was in Korea we got BAH for Tampa and lived with my parents. So that was about $1500 a month that we pocketed, and it's perfectly legal. What's not legal is living in like Kansas and getting BAH for Los Angeles or something like that. But the army does not care who you live with or where you live as long as you are getting BAH for the area you live in. That makes sense, right?

It doesn't make sense to me that they couldn't be roommates. If they are getting divorced they should still get BAH for their families... Not sure how that works exactly though. As long as they are still legally married, they should be getting BAH though.

Danie
03-27-2010, 11:12 AM
It all depends on the situation...

A Geographic Bachelor (Geo Bachelor) is a service member that is stationed away from his family -or the family chooses to stay where they were-. The service member will collect BAH to support his family, and can live in the barracks.

This can also go for those that choose to live together as roommates... they don't HAVE to live in the barracks, they can live where ever they want as long as they have their name on a lease or contract. AND as long as they are supporting their family...

If they are separated, they are still required to care for their family until the divorce is final... so they will still claim BAH... if they stay with someone else, and care for their family... who cares...

The only time they get concerned about BAH fraud is when a single service member deploys, moves out of his house/apartment and continues to collect BAH. When they don't have a home to keep, and are deployed they shouldn't collect BAH...

Hope that helped!

KristiMarie
03-27-2010, 05:06 PM
I think the major issue is, they are living off base, but do not have a lease. Thats actually a MAJOR issue. I had a friend get kicked out of the marines for doing the same thing. He got married, and his wife wasn't going to move with him out to Cali cause he was only there for a few months, well he met some guy whos wife and him let him move in, and he got FUCKED. The marines found out that he wasnt on the lease and said he was using his BAH improperly too. I dont know what it is, the marines are the ONLY people I have ever heard of doing this

Kristi Rae
03-28-2010, 03:09 PM
hmm no i think we can all agree that the Marines like to fuck each other over...but i dont think too much is going to happen since we are not the only ones the situations might be different for everyone involved but at this rate about half the Marines will be kicked out/lose rank....sooo the boys will get to go thru a fun talk tomorrow...
thanks for the input ladies

Kristi Rae
03-30-2010, 11:58 AM
so what ended up happening is everyone that had a fellow Marine living with them that collect BAH was told that if there name was not on the lease/contract that they had to move out asap. so far they have moved Steve back into the barracks, and i mean they moved him today didnt think they would be able to find him a room so quick. steve isnt too happy but better then losing rank. as for Josh they are giving him a bit more time(b/c he has a higher rank) and they know he has a few places lined up. In short if he doesnt have a place after Easter leave they will throw him into the barracks also. but i am happy b/c i have been trying to get them out...well Josh since he got back from his deployment and steve since he moved in so im happy! and they are happy b/c no one is getting punished.

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03-30-2010, 09:06 PM
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